It looks like the font has changed on the ALI versions in that it’s regular, vs bold on the 4k77.
It’s not. It’s the exact same font. It’s just that 4K77 has brighter highlights Which gives the illusion of a different font. But it’s the same font and even fades in and out at the exact same time.
NEW SCREENSHOT COMPARISON - AND A NEW VIDEO CLIP - FROM RETURN OF THE JEDI…
ALI…
UHD…
2011 blu ray…
4K83…
a streamable video clip of the above scene: https://streamable.com/q1txlq
I still find it strange that the VistaVision intermediate film hasn’t been scanned at 8K. I don’t know if 6K is really that good, because even though VistaVision is high quality, how comparable is it to a 65mm film to warrant scanning it at 8K?
I’m not sure why you’re mentioning Vistavision, as only a handful of shots were printed on that stock. The reason this shot is labeled as such is most likely a typo, as the last ROTJ shot (palace door matte) was a VVI, and that has been carried into the title of this new clip. Either way, according to the docs, all effects shots are, in fact, being scanned in 8K. This shot, which isn’t a VVI, was most likely scanned at 6K. At least according to the documents.
I have no clue what source you’re using, but it’s completely wrong.
Here’s the UHD with HDR simulation:
And here’s the SDR 1080p BD:
And here’s yours:
I haven’t got a clue where you’ve sourced your screencap from, but it doesn’t look like the UDH. Not even close. Please check your sources before correcting people in the future.
I know screencaps are an imperfect science (I also think I’m a frame off) but when I try I get this:
UHD
vs. the above
…which feels like it’s had some of the blue sucked out and highlights surpressed
What source are you using for the UHD? And what HDR to SDR converter?
I had missed that redacted pastebin partial. Any idea what the .WI source is? The others all make sense.
very interesting that they’ve partially re-recorded foley for the new 7.1 mix. That’s…well, maybe it’s understandable, but it’s surprising nonetheless.
VVI stands for Vista Vision Intermediate or Interpositive. This has been confirmed by the clips that have been named as such…
Ooooooh that makes so much sense. Thank you.
Yeah. For Star Wars 77 those shots would be limited to the many space or model ship shots…
I had missed that redacted pastebin partial. Any idea what the .WI source is? The others all make sense.
very interesting that they’ve partially re-recorded foley for the new 7.1 mix. That’s…well, maybe it’s understandable, but it’s surprising nonetheless.
VVI stands for Vista Vision Intermediate or Interpositive. This has been confirmed by the clips that have been named as such…
I only found out about this leak today, for the last 10 years I’ve been on and off read-only here on ot.com and similar at the 4K77/80/83 forums. Reading between the lines, that’s where originally there was a discussion thread on the ALI leak what was made private for reasons I completely understand.
The reason I bring this up because there’s obviously 3+ months of discussion I’m not privy to but I wanted to ask if there’s a theory as to the framing/cropping ALI is using for all 3 films?
I realise it’s a WIP but looking at the comparisons provided by oojason, the framing is different from the ALI restoration and 4K77/80/83 (ignoring the UHD and Blu-ray)
In one of the documents there is mention of a published cropping standard for all three films Which is apparently being used. ROTJ seems to have the widest cropping; seeming to be even wider than the official release, though ESB and ANH are much, much more tight. From what we can tell the final cropping will most likely be different.
Apologies if this has been addressed , but do we have any evidence (like a screenshot) that this is a restoration of the theatrical versions (or at least something pre-19967)? Is it possible this will just be the same edit as what is on disney+?
Yes. We’ve seen original model shots, matte paintings, and even the original Sy Snootles puppet…
I also wonder if they won’t do a purist version (original effects) and a nicer-looking version (original but recomposited effects), with the latter being what gets released in theaters.
I would hope they leave it alone completely.
There’s no reason for a nicer-looking version when the SE exists. If we want to keep any fixes while getting rid of what we don’t like, well, that’s what places like this are for.
Historical preservation would be my priority. That’s why it kinda bothers me that they’re apparently doing a 7.1 remix with alternate takes and whatnot. If that was only being done for the latest SE I wouldn’t care, but if that’s what would be heard in a dcp of the “unaltered” version then we’re getting into revisionism territory.
They’re fully restoring both the stereo and mono mixes. And maybe the 70mm mix too. The 7.1 DTS will probably be for theatres, as there is no evidence that it will be included on home media. What we do know is that they aren’t just remixing from the stems but going back to the raw elements…
The truth is that because of security and legal reasons the truth about this is not able to be told just yet. You only see what they want you to see.
You’re a liar. Hey! Stop lying. You don’t know anything.
I know about the slugs and only 3 people on here do including me. If you do not know about the slugs then you know little.
The what? Are you just screwing with us know?
Stop lying, stop scrounging for attention. Also by those 2 other people do you mean just YOU?
The truth is that because of security and legal reasons the truth about this is not able to be told just yet. You only see what they want you to see.
You’re a liar. Hey! Stop lying. You don’t know anything.
Do7 have gave permission to reveal some details. Important thing to remember is this is all real and is happening but we need to have faith and remember things might not make sense at first. When it is all said and done only then will you know why we had to do what we had to do.
We thought project text would keep everybody busy while we worked behind the scenes and not get any lawyers onto us. No the text is not real and is not the real work being done for the restoration. Do7 agreed to mislead for security so the trail won’t lead back to us it is for security in case Disney got on our backs. It was done for fun too for fans to figure out like a puzzle but we cannot reveal more until the time is right.
The original theatrical cuts of the original trilogy will be seen in highest quality imaginable very soon. Some of us seen a lot more than the leaks and teases and it will all be worth it because it is beautiful.
This guy is complete BS. I have been following this leak since the beginning. In fact, I discovered it! (I am Member X) I have no clue what the hell “Do7” is, but this guy, whoever he is, has no connection to the proposed restoration team (ALI). The Pastebin Texts (if that’s what he’s referring to) are in fact real for the most part, there are some clear inaccuracies Which we, on the other forum, have concluded is due to AI being involved in this whole ordeal, not the actual restoration mind you, but the uploading to YouTube and pastebin deal. Please disregard this person and his sock here and I call on the mods to take action against this troll who is spreading BS and wants attention. Please just ignore him and take everything he says with a grain of salt.
I’ve been weary to reveal my position in this, but now that the cat is out of the bag, there’s no point.
I will answer all the questions I possibly can, Please don’t PM me concerning this.
Hey Ady, in relation to your “red leader trench run” video
@ 1:04 Vader is doing the trench run. When it cut to inside his cockpit, the background shows him still in space and flying downward. He should have the trench run in the window behind him. This happens again @ 1:18
That’s a top window. The shot’s pov is from below. There are supposed to be stars there.
Apologies for my ignorance, but what exactly are the visual differences between the official 4K release and the theatrical cut?
The creation of new versions for this restoration is coming to its finish point. The sample reel is now under editing and will release tomorrow on Friday 12 September. I will upload the link here after it has been published.
I will soon give some screenshots.
…, so I will absolutely be uploading a video preview this month!
I will do a reel sample video showcasing the scenes on YouTube within 9-12 September.
Let’s be fair… He said sept 9 - 12. 3 more days to go! Im excited!
I will do a reel sample video showcasing the scenes on YouTube within 9-12 September. I don’t understand the imgur system here so I will make a video. I will send the link here when done.
Can’t wait to see this opus finally…
Need someone who can help me with color correcting on a deleted sequence. Please
Im kinda stuck… I mean its looks okay here as I did it in Photoshop, but it doesn’t look right in the video, as every cut looks different and just doesn’t look right, need major help. Plus, ill put your name in the Video as a THANK YOU 😃
I may be able to help. PM me if you’d like.
This is the first deleted EXTENDED scene from Star Wars, showing a young Luke Skywalker tending to a moisture vaporator before setting off for Tosche Station. PART 1 of 2
Thanks tofor supplying me with the Radio Drama, that was used for the first part of the Video
VIDEO LINK BELOW**
https://youtu.be/VtxV0oVh5h8
Looks incredible.
An update:
Glad everything worked out, Ady! Can’t wait to see those previews! Good luck!
Any deleted scenes you want to use for fan edit but the quality was lacking, may not be off the table-
I really hope that the deleted scene with Vader telepathically reaching out to Luke in the cave at the start of the film could be restored and reinserted into ROTJ:Revisited. It’s a scene that should never have been cut.
I think that scene recontextualises the whole movie for the better, it adds some depth and gravitas (which the film could do with to be honest), it rightfully places the Father/Son relationship front and centre, and makes the final act even more epic and impactful.
It’s certainly better condition footage than the deleted scene linked above with Luke using his binoculars, that one was far rougher. It would be quite a coup if the Vader and Luke scene could be sufficiently restored to add back in to Revisited, and for me it would be the single biggest improvement that could be made to ROTJ.
Sorry, but it’s not being included. In fact, Adywan retimed the shot with the wipe transition to R2 and 3PO so that there is no more of that slowdown that was added to make up for the removal of the scene.
He also said that scene was unusable due to its quality.
They were meant for DVD. Why Lucas thought they were good enough for Blu-Ray, I really have no explanation. Not to mention further changes. And fixes.
Just to think even the 2020 UHD only happened because of the 3D release that was cancelled and those scans.
We had the same HD master on DVD, HDTV, and Blu-Ray for what 15 or 16 years.
John Lowry literally said that when the Blu-Rays would come out, Lucas would most likely come back for a better restoration… That never happened.
YAREL_RGP said:
There is no 2K scan of the special edition trilogy, the restoration was all analog and physical,And how the 2004 SE was made?
AFAIK it’s based on the 1997 SE 2k scan.
The 2004 scans were done in HD 1920x1080p 16-bit color. They were completed with only DVD mastering in mind, that’s why they are such bad quality.
He logs in daily, you can see on his page
Yeah, Ady is a “Talk less, work more” type of guy. Let him do his thing; he surely won’t disappoint.
Quick new shot, fixed the problem of Han shooting too early and too high to hit the target…
Streamable: https://streamable.com/amr4jd
GDrive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZNSmzJaOEzt5jdIaWlRJ-O4fQyEtJNPd/view?usp=sharing
